This image, like this sound, what appears, what emerges, is something perceptible in this Presence, in this Consciousness.
An ordinary person can see and hear, while a blind person can only listen. However, this experience is experienced in the same room for both. These so-called "normal people" and "special people" are experiencing the same space. Their experiences are the same experience, and when I say "their experiences," I am not talking about the experiences of someone; I am talking about the experience of this Consciousness. It is a unique experience! The way it is interpreted by the mechanism (body-mind) is what changes: one is able and the other not. One is enabled for certain functions and the other is not, but it is the same experience: the experience of this Consciousness. It is not a personal experience, because there is no person in the experience, there is only the experience. Do you all hear that?
Participant: So, who cries or who laughs before the experience?
Master Gualberto: It is also an apparition in the experience. This apparition in the experiment appears in another format; in a format it laughs and in the other format it cries, but the experience is always Consciousness. It is discouraging that, because you have no importance. You are a fraud as an entity present in this. There is no entity present in it! You are as important as an ant, a dog or a bird, because the experience for them is also the same: the experience of Consciousness... experience in Consciousness. Whatever is being known, felt and experienced, is being known, felt and experienced in the Consciousness. In this sense, a dog is also in the same condition of an ant and of a "so important" human being. In other words, the person does not know. It is the Consciousness that knows.
The experience is of the Consciousness, of the Being. Being is Consciousness. The experience is of the Self, the experience is in the Self. The Self is just one; Consciousness is just one, either in the ant or in the elephant or in the human being. Every experience is being known in the Consciousness. In the Consciousness, the whole experience is sacred, it is divine; all experience is the very Consciousness experiencing Itself, it is the very Consciousness as experience. There is no separation; there is nothing special happening to "someone". Everything is happening in a natural way, not special, and not for "someone"! It is in the Consciousness, by the Consciousness and for the Consciousness, whatever it may be known, whatever is being known.
We did not consider the stones. We talked about the ant, the elephant, the dog and the human being, but the stones are also in the experience. Whatever the experience is, as a rock, an ant, an elephant, a dog or a human being, it is still the experience of this Consciousness. It is this Consciousness in the experience. We call stone, ant, elephant, dog and human being, but there is only Consciousness... just Consciousness. Everything is Consciousness! Consciousness experiences itself as stone, as ant, as dog, as cat, as tree, as bird, as human being ... And what about "you"? Where do you and your story get in? Do you want me to tell where your story gets in? In the imagination of "someone" in this thing called "life." Life is not yours; your imagination is. Imagination is yours, Life is Consciousness. Is not it beautiful? Life is Consciousness! Your life is imagination. This story, which you call life, is the imagination of a so-called experimenter of this whole thing. It sounds strange, does not? Your struggle is your story and your story is your imagination. It is what you call life, "my life."
This is called Satsang, the meeting with what Is. That is how everything is going on. That is how it is being felt, experienced, touching and being touched: without you! This experience, which is not personal, is not private, it is Consciousness, Presence, Self, Love, Silence, Peace, Truth and Freedom! There is not "you" in this! There is just That! The personal importance is the valuation of a fantasy, an imagination, a story created by thought.
Everything has been built by thought: an edifice, a building, a bridge, the cars of Chevrolet, Ford... Everything has been planned by thought, imagined by thought. They are within our history, our imagination: the planes, churches, cathedrals, the gods we put inside the cathedral, the saints, our religion, and our football team. We invent them and, then, we support them, we become in favor of them. We are in favor of a religion, a football team, a political ideology, a political party... It is all the same! Thought has created this whole division, while the Consciousness knows nothing of this. The Being, Presence, God, does not root for any team, It raises no ideology, no ideological flag, party, politics, It does not militate for any reason and does not participate in any religion.
And now, what will you do with this?
What I am saying is that Consciousness does not engage, it does not engage in relationships. So I have told you: get into relations, but not into relationships. There is no way to live without relations. Thus, our relations with the baker, with the cashier at the market and with the bank teller are going on, as well as our relations with the employer, with the employee, with wife, with the children... But if this turns to a relationship, it complicates, because then you fall into a trap. Do you understand the difference? A relation is a utilitarian thing. I have talked it sometimes, and, of course, I am always misunderstood (laughs). Relation is a practical thing: you give the money to the man who makes the bread and he makes the bread for you to eat; you pay for the service and he provides you the service. It is a utilitarian thing! It gets more complicated when we put the personal feeling, but this is subject to face Satsang, because it is very hard to hear it here by Paltalk.
I already know. When I start talking about it, the person gets in, and then comes the emotional, feeling, romanticism, and the complication arises because there is the idea of possession, domination, control, obedience, "who owes what to whom," this whole thing. There is no way to realize God, thereby. But let us leave it at that, I think you must be tired. After that an elephant, an ant and you are at the same level before the Divine, which is the Consciousness...
I have read these days, from someone who lived with Ramana, the animals that came to see him in the Ashram – occasionally, there appeared dogs, cats, monkeys - were touched by his Presence. Interestingly, humans did not feel much. One or another felt something. They looked at Ramana and saw a person, while the animals looked at Ramana and regarded him as the Divine Presence in the form.
Animals could see and people could not. I thought this rather curious too.
See you next meeting. Namaste!
*Transcribed from an online meeting in the evening of April 4, 2016 - Free Meetings every Monday, Wednesday and Friday - Participate!